That excellent PBS American Masters' retrospective of Carson's career, which premiered earlier this month, is still up at PBS.com. Watch the entire two hour Johnny Carson: The King of Late Night here.
I asked David Steinberg, who was at the most recent TCA press tour in Pasadena in January to promote his Inside Comedy Showtime series --for a Carson story. Steinberg, the Winnipeg-born comedian who, among other things, helped torpedo The Smothers Brothers, talked about how he hated the "pre-interview," the first step all late night talk shows use to line up stories that will be told by their guests on their shows.
"When I started out with
in ’68," he said, "I wanted to improvise." Steinberg felt his Second City improv training was all he needed to prepare for Tonight or any other live-to-tape television.
Steinberg said it took him four years as a guest to get Carson to trust him enough to ditch the pre-interview. He was finally allowed to just provide bullet points--"Lakers, daughters, courtship" he said by way of examples. He told Carson "You can interrupt me whenever you want and I will find an out and you will know when I'm finished."
Steinberg says only a select few got this carte blanche guest segment treatment from Carson, singling out Bob Newhart as another guest nimble enough to just vamp with Johnny. Don Rickles, you'd have to guess, was also on that list.
What about the way Craig Ferguson just tears up the questions on the blue cards before each guest segment, another critic asked. "Not sure about that," said Steinberg. "Please don't get me into a controversy."